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Calm-down by nebezial Calm-down by nebezial
before anything else.. i do apologize for the ranty chaotic nature of this description. i do better when writing comics than writing my own thoughts on something. call it a chaotic mind of someone to whom english is a second language XD


i make fun of dc... i do. their decisions baffle me so often. but i joke because i love XD

howeveeeer.....


what is it with dc doing things that gets completely taken out of context?...yes, dc made stupid decision...aaaa lot of them... but just gotta love the remove context button being used on articles recently

2 latest ones are..

1: Dc creators left because dc forbids lesbian marriage...

Bombastic...sure...makes one of the 2 big companies look homophobic...aw yeah!

true?

weeelllll... technically they simply don't want marriage. tis not a homophobic decision... it is a marriage-o-phobic decision.

hell... one more day anyone?... it is not really news, big 2 don't like their heroes being married.

again.. is it a stupid decision? yes!
does it lack any vision and trust in the capabilities of creators writing good stories about married heroes? of course...

homophobia driven? i really don't think so
of course there were other reasons for the creative team leaving..but they weren't that important to be in the titles XD

super hero marriages are a touchy subject for big 2. have been for a while now as you can see in this fun article

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat…
one correction to the article would be that not even aquaman and mera are married anymore.
www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/0…

update..apparently batwoman couldn't get married because bat people need f%&ked up family lives... XD
www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/0…





now, the latest one is the harley quinn contest thing.

i read the script...
without context...effin horrible
timing of it all..holy hell atrocious... a few days before suicide awareness week...yikes

but the angle that s taken by articles.. "draw suicidal Harley naked, get a job at dc"... aaa little forced

if you investigate , you quickly learn that the page in question is about harley imagining what kind of stupid situations the creators might put her in. hence the requirement of her "are you f$%ing kidding me?" expression.

in this case this was meant to be a part of a looney tunes styled slapstick comedy

i have seen a lot of series using failed suicide shtick for comedic effect... we all have.. it is not a new thing it has been used in cartoons, comics and movies to the point that it's a damn near trope by now
no... really tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php…

i can tell you this. any half mature artist knows how to draw her naked in the bathtub scene without showing ...well..anything


the idiocy in it all is that it was a stupid choice of a page that really relies heavily on context to be used out of it
(context being that this is her imagining how badly she might be treated by the creators)

the bigger idiocy was posting a page of 4 panels of her basically displaying suicidal behavior... just before suicide prevention week

about that... outrage is justified.


dc has had a bad history in mistreating their female characters in recent rebooting... so outrage does have a strong foundation of empiric proof not all characters not all the time... but when they messed up they messed up over the top


point i am trying to make is this

there is a chain of incompetence at work here. bad decisions made by people inexplicably capable of keeping an impressive combo of fuckups. this incompetence is worth the anger and outrage.

as such as readers we should demand better...vote with our wallets to show our opinion
place the right blame at the right people for the right reason. we have more than enough reasons without trying to make up new ones

these stories aren't about homophobia or some snuff fetish...they are about incompetence. outrage as such would be more measured in the form of not buying the books than threatening dc employees with violence (this happened)
www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/0…


there are genuine problems in the industry that could use a good discussion...but thing about discussions is.. they can only be done when people stop shouting XD
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KeplerNova Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm just going to say that I really love the way you draw Harley Quinn. :D
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Zero20-2 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Brilliantly said.
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Naivax-Maundrell Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The lady ion the can needs a voice, too. :3
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AnubisPriest-ca Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014
This is the definition of AWESOME!!

**I know, I looked it up in the deviantART dictionary and it linked me here ***

Thank you for this!
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Raleigh33 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
'Slowly backs away from Harley' Calm down girl, bunch of morons aren't worth letting the granny out. :)

Love her expression in this.
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Myrethy Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh jeebus run... RUN!! GRANNY'S GONNA GET YA!
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dearfan Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014
Godness, I love the face of your Harley. Very.... Grrrr...! ^^
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arcnova Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Every now and then this should just be re posted just to keep it in the spotlight. Yep, it should.
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MidnightDStroyer Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014
Either that or a can of KickAss, Harley could still pull it off.
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cordially-yours Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
DC has been on the downslope since the New 52's, Marvel is like that little kid in the Christmas Story, who's afraid to go down the slide, and is holding on tight but keeps slowly slipping. I don't understand what's the beef with Marriage in Superheroes... psh they have kids out of wedlock, which I have nothing against, but you know it'd be nice to see someone have a marriage maybe even have them get divorced down the line who knows. Keepin it real.  As a female I'm also pretty peeved about DC and their opinions of the female fan base. It's like HEY! You make cool action stories with HOT DUDES, with incredible personalities and Bad Ass bitches that we all wanna be! Sorry you're not allowed to like them.

Not to mention canceling all those comics with the less known heroes after 12 or 18  issues. My sister is a big fan of Blue Beetle and now what, it's gone. What was this point of the relaunch? I thought it was to make some of these older stories more available to the new crowd of comic lovers? -cough... lies...cough...money-

I read better fan fiction than half the stuff that comes up lately. Sometimes I just want to kick DC's top people in the balls then curl up in a little ball and cry.

And give Harley Quinn a little more dignity PALEASE! DC. Which includes clothes.
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Stick-bag Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2013
Yeah, I'm with this. One of my biggest pet peeves about Marvel and DC is their attitude to married superhero couples, or at least ones in a happy relationship. Another is characters that are never, EVER allowed to be happy, even for a while, without it being twisted in some horrible way. Prime examples of this are Batman, Spiderman and of course the Hulk. For the latter, how else do you explain just about every story involving Red She-Hulk?
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Bracey100 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Some further info on this topic (man do I miss Harley's old outfit, so much better than the crap she wears now). Here's what George Perez has had to say on the subject after leaving Superman. He was very frustrated poor guy. You really shouldnt treat a legend of the industry like that but the Hollywood model which has taken over the Big 2 of making decisions via committee is just a HORRIBLE way to get anything done. 

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luigifan1243 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013
I need at 200 cans of that stuff
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dana1969 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And just to add, Borderlines with tendencies for violence project their anger and rage out wards, not inwards..
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dana1969 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
DC has lost their mind in many ways. I was mortified hearing of the contest regarding Harley Quinn's Suicide contest..
Yes she love the joker but she is also a Classic Borderline personality with psychopathic tendencies..
borderlines who kill people don't kill themselves, they turn on their obsession and the focus of their attention..
It's like they never read a psych textbook..
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Holycrap1992 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Knowing the current DC higher-ups' bottomless stupidity, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
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Fai-is-sexy Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Another awesome pic! Heart 


For some reason I see this being reposted as a meme somewhere :/
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The internet makes us all do things we don't like, Harley.
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TheSandman99 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013
I could not agree more, thank you for having a level head about this.
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Kayla-Spicer Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013   Traditional Artist
...what?
Harley Quinn was bisexual in one universe
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TheJustjust Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Student General Artist
you're thoughts are...interesting. they....make me ponder which is neither good nor bad.
also nice harley quinn.
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kingfox66 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2013
 i like your pics
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PapstJ4U Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013
You can question the HQ PR, but i have this small question: Maybe everything with HQ was on purpose? She is one of the charakters, who scratch the fourth wall. Maybe the suicide idea was choosen to make the suicide prevention week more puplic? How many people didnt know about this week before?
On another note: The new HQ got some beef for being "whore-ific". Together with the knowledge, that Amanda Conner is part of the new HQ-team, i got the feeling, it is some sort of comic relief.
Maybe i am to generous, but i think it is a viable interpretation.


edit: and of course DC wasnt homophobic, but marriage-o-phobic. :(
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RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013
Awesome work here
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Anama-chan Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Man... you took the words right out of my mouth... thank you for noticing this and thinking the same...
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SerenityFey Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I can't believe that, in this day and age, DC is still throwing a hissy fit about lesbians. *sigh* Harley has every right to be pissed XD


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Bracey100 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Ive been so disappointed with the Big 2 that I havent collected a series from them in years. Oddly part of that decision was due to them hating marriage. The One More Day storyline made me drop Spiderman (my favorite character) for the second time in over 35 years of reading Spiderman. The first time you might guess was the Clone Saga, dropped the book for about 5 years because of that. While Im all for change, I want intelligently guided change, not what can we do to fuck up our characters like some horribly written soap opera. Thank God for the indie comics out there and of course manga where folks still seem to care about both their characters and their readers.

Note Im not faulting the creators here (in most cases) but the people in charge who seem to be following the Holloywood model of how to make terrible movies by committee but applying it to comics.
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CTOM Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wow, she looks cute :P
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niauropsaka Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013   Digital Artist
Thanks for this post.
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MeowHype Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Interface Designer
Oh Granny Goodness
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erenik Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great powerful picture!
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lilminette Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013   General Artist
Adding to favorites in support of the artist's message.
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XNAaraL Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
a chaotic mind of someone to whom english is a second language XD ... love it

BTW: English is not my native language; please excuse typing errors. I am familiar with the technical terms, but some slang expressions and idioms are difficult for me.
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NdrN Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
Very nice!
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"as such as readers we should demand better...vote with our wallets to show our opinion"
"there are genuine problems in the industry that could use a good discussion...but thing about discussions is.. they can only be done when people stop shouting XD"


I am afraid I will have to respectfully disagree with that. If people stop buying the product, DC isn't going to understand why they're not buying it. All they will see is that these comics aren't making as much money as others and that will send a creepy message that readers don't want comics about characters like Harley Quinn. Potentially having the result of those comics being canceled. And that's overall BAD for us.

However, if we hoot and holler and cause a loud whiny tantrum... they will take notice and do everything in their power to quell it. Public opinion matters to big corporations and none of them want to be seen as "the bad guys." This has been proven to work numerous times in the past. It worked on Mass Effect 3 when the ending was sub-par. It worked when Microsoft announced the backwards consumer unfriendly X-Box One. When the internet throws a tantrum with such volume that media outlets start reporting about it, DC will know what they did wrong and will try to correct it.

While "voting with your wallets" is a nice pie-in-the-sky idealistic concept, I don't see it actually working. Not in this day and age of mass communication. I just see it potentially damaging a product that consumers simply want a better version of. From the evidence I've seen thus far, throwing a whiny tantrum (as much as it might piss some people off) has been much more successful than an outright boycott.
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Mukos Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To be honest, the new mass effect ending is still sub-par. It was just bad the 1st time - the players were expected to leap to conclusion and thus became the indoctrination theory, very loose ends, no satisfying explanation whatsoever...I believe you know the rest.
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nebezial Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
once i might have agreed with you on that one...but in general..all the tantrums did every time is make these companies sell out the crappy books....over and over again..becoming that classic example of bad publicity being publicity
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jd1060 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
You're actually correct nebezial. For instance when Grand theft Auto first released a long time ago, the publicist sought out to create all kinds of negative publicity just to get people to look at the the game and boy did it work. Bad publicity and good publicity almost go hand in hand these days. It's all over the internet news and BAM people start buying it all up to see what the fuss is about. P.S. Love your work.
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nebezial Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
o know this.. hell the recent lobo incident smells to high heaves as a made up, planted scandal. get people riled up, going, im never buying this book.... but then that morbid curiosity kicks in.. and sales jump... and then later when they fall... they go...look   its old lobo coming back....

gimmickry 101... see thing is , once this blows over..and it will... all most are gonna remember is the names batwoman and harley quinn.. and those weird nerdy scandals people keep seeing on faceboo and twitter ansd what not.. will get some new readers to drop in and see what the fuss is all about..

meanwhile people swearing never to touch those books again... they will come back... we are like junkies for this stuff....and they are playing us like a harp from hell!
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SonofChinglu Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
This is one of those times that I'm glad to be totally out of the loop. Thankfully school has kept me too busy with less controversial topics like slavery, manifest destiny and partisan warfare in the former Yugoslavia.
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NecroTechno Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Why thank you, but I'm more of a "Cool Your Tits"-man myself. XD
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brooklynbuglet Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Good for you! You let your anger out in your fantastic art!
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13Nightmares Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Yeah.... Marriages rarely end well in comics, someone gets killed, blown up, stuffed in a refrigerator, tries to kill their spouse, cheats on spouse, sells their marriage to the equivalent Devil, or worse... they break up.

Suicide is never funny, no good person would ever use.... Loony Toons, Tiny Toons, Three Stooges.

Okay it has been used before, but DC would never use Suicide for comedic.... Arkham Asylum Ending: Joker "ending it all" as he laments he's unable to destroy Gotham with an Army of Monsters.

Hehehehe, okay they did it before.

I guess Harley is a touchy subject with people still.
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MadameDesReves Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No matter the context, I think anything involving suicide for comedic purposes (not to mention sexualizing suicide) is not okay. Suicide is no  joking matter. Totally in bad taste. DC is shooting itself in the foot.
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure it is: Black Comedy or Gallows Humour is still humour. Its a humour used to point out the futility of the human condition.

Never the less, what DC is doing is not comedy & its not homour & its most certainly not making light of the human condition.
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nebezial Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
it was in bad taste to post it on this month...as for the rest

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php…

enjoy..we are more messed up as a species that you would think XD
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w7100 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
to be honest it just wasn't because it was a lesbian marriage they forbid ANY marriage, but hey they are driving that place into the ground  
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blindeyeinsight Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
You draw it then. Show us how not-gross, creepy and cool it is.
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nebezial Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
i could ..you could too...neither of us will because we have issues with this.

but my issues are  different.

tho i could easily draw this in a way that nobody would think of oversexualized....i take issue with the fact that, joke or not , out of context this is a page for a big contest..featuring  a suicidal woman on 4 panels. in the month of suicide prevention.

this is the real fuckup in all of this.  not some imaginary snuff fetish
page shows something that is not really happening...but that is a context you dont get from that one page of script.

that.. is what i have a problem with. bad editorial decisions that keep crippling books i like reading, in this case even before the book is made
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blindeyeinsight Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
I got to say, the backlash is understandable at least. Even if the intentions weren't malicious. Trivializing suicide is one of my big triggers, as is sexualizing death.
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