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so i tried reading some new comics.... by nebezial so i tried reading some new comics.... by nebezial
i tried reading some of the new dc comics, , cause of the whole reboot, i though, hey, i'll jump in on some of that. i do love the characters in the cartoons...

and..just... damn...

see its a personal nuisance for me. i worked for years on witchblade, working hard to get the whole tna reputation out of the way. ron and i did relatively well with that

we were constantly taking shit from the people who read superhero comics, and got a crapload of condescension


and now... well.. seems like the shoe is on the other foot

because... just ... wow. there are many many amazingly well done comics, just brilliant in both artwork and writing.. but some are just... uncomfortable

i am a great believer that sexuality in comics serves a purpose, and works best when earned through character development.

it is supposed to be subservient to the story, it needs to be given a better purpose than just... hey, look sex!

so far the female characters in dc have been a bit... um...lets just say mishandled.

this is merely one man's opinion. no better nor more important than anyone else's. if you disagree that is your right.

and i hate the damn harley, arkhampromiscuousoversexualizedjailbait design

always have always will. it lacks the tongue in cheek humor, it lacks the likeability, but it replaces it with a lollipop sucking jailbait look....sorry...just..no


and for anyone who thinks themselves clever to go and point out that i'm drawing and writing sunstone, and yet i have a problem with this, i will save you the embarrassment.

sunstone is a comic ABOUT sexuality.
therefore there is sex in it

these are comics about superhero's that are saving the world on a daily basis... that is their premise...see what i'm getting at here?

oh and to explain my problem with catwoman XD

in the comics tshe often fights the same supercriminals as batman...

buut, batman is walking aroung in a boryarmor nowadays... selina... in a latex catsuit

what is the armor rating on your average catsuit?

we will ask killer croc XD




aaand fixed XD, "s"word removed thank you for turning the discussion of poor handling of female characters in comics to a discussion of semantics.. it was... pretty entertaining and in some points enlightening :)

so here is where all the confusion came from

my name is stjepan sejic and i am a croat!

hi stjepan

so , in croatia we have taken cursing and derogatory terms to a level that many would think unimaginable

it is often so crazy that some of the offensive words never quite... graduate

slutty for instance , in my country never really got to the rank where it would be used to define a woman's sexual behavior in a derogatory way.

we have about 60 far worse words for that

here word pretty much is used for a dressing style, that is ..oh lets say less than practical.

,now that you know this, i think the original intention of my message becomes clearer ...tho many never had any problems of guessing it

message was that female characters deserve more dignity in their treatment in comics...to be more than a eyecandy afterthought existing for nothing else than to hump random people without any insight to why.

i'm just saying if we have to know why a guy has a different colored suit, it would be useful to know why a female character is about to have sex with a random guy.

ultimately i found the right words i wanted to use to explain this situation

it is political correctness.

you presumed that every country has it as highly developed as the top few.

unfortunately we do not, that train is coming to my country too, but its slow moving and we put obstructions on the tracks

till then , there will probably be some confusions, so try to realize that maybe the person talking to you is not being judgmental, they just express differently because such is the norm of their country :)
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kobaltkween Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
The original TV show Harley was a truly great example from a long line of take-offs (especially animated ones) on the persona of a brilliant comedienne: Judy Holliday.  Find a movie of her, and you'll immediately hear the resemblance.  Watch her in something like Born Yesterday, and you'll see that wonderfully playful and ditsy yet fierce persona.  Not only were her works hilarious, but she was brilliant _and_ brave enough to use that same character to stand up to the House Un-American Activities Committee, and turn them all around with her answers.   They hurt her career, but couldn't pin her down well enough to fully blacklist her _or_ get her to name names.

For me, changing Harley into a totally different character, especially a more 2-dimensional one more suited for pornos than anything with a plot, is disrespectful and disappointing.  There's just _so_ much you can do with that archetype.
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TeaTimeFan Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2014  Hobbyist
Well said! I miss classic Harley so much >:c
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Sir-Talen Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Coming in late here, but I probably should point you towards one of my favorite webcomics Terinu It's a full page B&W sci-fi comic, with half the main cast female and all of them dressed decently [1] and with realistic proportions.

[1] Aside from Gwen's "Exotic Dancer Barbie" sequence, but it's treated as disturbing rather than sexy, esp the last panel.
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DaMushroom Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ya know, I'm all for  character redesigns, because it can lead to some interesting aspects of said character that might not have been explored, and costume redesigns are great for artistic challenge and how the character functions...DC girls are losing cloths function...and cloths in general. With what Harley wears now and compared to her original-I like the original more because it showed a side of deranged innocence.

And Catwoman and Talia Al Ghul...I don't see how boobies hanging out would help them any, other than slow them down and be insanely uncomfortable.

Comic girls don't need to lose their cloths to be sexy
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johnnygatthird Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i like it
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Bobsheaux Featured By Owner May 27, 2014
With all the poon that Bruce Wayne gets on a regular basis, Catwoman is always supposed to be The One That Got Away.  The ONLY time I will ever enjoy seeing any kind of implied sex between Batman and Catwoman is in Earth 2, where they're happily married and yet we never actually SEE anything aside from the existence of their daughter, Robin. Batman's still fighting crime, he's successfully pulled Catwoman onto the right side of the law, AND he has the family he deserves.  AWESOME!

Catwoman #1 can go right to hell.
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TheSmokingSpirits Featured By Owner May 26, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I agree.

I will not lie, as a man..or rather as myself I am a fan of the female figure not just from the obvious 'likable' parts but also because of a sort of balance. I mean hell, we all probably fell in love with Harley not just because of her figure but of her strangely likeable personality, sure she had her...unusual moments but she was just charming, but the new harley in Arkham..I mean...my god there's 'good' edginess and horribly done edginess.. My god.. I wonder, I just...pray that eventually SOMEONE will finally say "Hmmm this Harley and/or other female characters lack depth and likability and that's been replaced with boobs and or sex appeal, for some reason this don't seem right."
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yellowflowerevy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Student General Artist
THANK YOU!!! I REALLY REALLY HATE IT TOO!!! AND I ACTUALLY WANTED TO TRY TO WORK FOR DC (i mean I am a noob in the comics world too scared to even post my comics yet) BUT ITS FRUSTRATING AS HECK TO SEE THIS CRAP!!! DC WENT FROM DEEP ENDEARING RELATIONSHIPS TO TURNING HARLEY INTO A SLU... sexy SCHOOL GIRL OUTFIT AND ITS HORRIBLE!!! NOW SHES LOST EVEN HER OBSESSION WITH JOKER AND MAKES OUT WITH ANYTHING!!! I JUST ... *sigh* there is so much more to be said but golly its depressing.
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Daulidas Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So true... :\
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minnyange Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
Nod 
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