see its a personal nuisance for me. i worked for years on witchblade, working hard to get the whole tna reputation out of the way. ron and i did relatively well with that
we were constantly taking shit from the people who read superhero comics, and got a crapload of condescension
and now... well.. seems like the shoe is on the other foot
because... just ... wow. there are many many amazingly well done comics, just brilliant in both artwork and writing.. but some are just... uncomfortable
i am a great believer that sexuality in comics serves a purpose, and works best when earned through character development.
it is supposed to be subservient to the story, it needs to be given a better purpose than just... hey, look sex!
so far the female characters in dc have been a bit... um...lets just say mishandled.
this is merely one man's opinion. no better nor more important than anyone else's. if you disagree that is your right.
and i hate the damn harley, arkhampromiscuousoversexualizedjailbait design
always have always will. it lacks the tongue in cheek humor, it lacks the likeability, but it replaces it with a lollipop sucking jailbait look....sorry...just..no
and for anyone who thinks themselves clever to go and point out that i'm drawing and writing sunstone, and yet i have a problem with this, i will save you the embarrassment.
sunstone is a comic ABOUT sexuality.
therefore there is sex in it
these are comics about superhero's that are saving the world on a daily basis... that is their premise...see what i'm getting at here?
oh and to explain my problem with catwoman XD
in the comics tshe often fights the same supercriminals as batman...
buut, batman is walking aroung in a boryarmor nowadays... selina... in a latex catsuit
what is the armor rating on your average catsuit?
we will ask killer croc XD
aaand fixed XD, "s"word removed thank you for turning the discussion of poor handling of female characters in comics to a discussion of semantics.. it was... pretty entertaining and in some points enlightening
so here is where all the confusion came from
my name is stjepan sejic and i am a croat!
so , in croatia we have taken cursing and derogatory terms to a level that many would think unimaginable
it is often so crazy that some of the offensive words never quite... graduate
slutty for instance , in my country never really got to the rank where it would be used to define a woman's sexual behavior in a derogatory way.
we have about 60 far worse words for that
here word pretty much is used for a dressing style, that is ..oh lets say less than practical.
,now that you know this, i think the original intention of my message becomes clearer ...tho many never had any problems of guessing it
message was that female characters deserve more dignity in their treatment in comics...to be more than a eyecandy afterthought existing for nothing else than to hump random people without any insight to why.
i'm just saying if we have to know why a guy has a different colored suit, it would be useful to know why a female character is about to have sex with a random guy.
ultimately i found the right words i wanted to use to explain this situation
it is political correctness.
you presumed that every country has it as highly developed as the top few.
unfortunately we do not, that train is coming to my country too, but its slow moving and we put obstructions on the tracks
till then , there will probably be some confusions, so try to realize that maybe the person talking to you is not being judgmental, they just express differently because such is the norm of their country
I am a woman and I don't think that mini skirts and underbust corsets are fun to dress up in and hand out candy.
That being said for "sexy" costumes in general.
I also don't understand why sex has to be put in everything we read or watch.
can't we all just be clean and not focus on nasty dirty shows and outfits? :/
it's getting pretty gross.
and yes, I am a virgin and plan on staying that way until I am ready.
I love new and modern costume character designs in games, I just don't understand why they have be so skimpy and being forced to accept or dress that way.
For me, changing Harley into a totally different character, especially a more 2-dimensional one more suited for pornos than anything with a plot, is disrespectful and disappointing. There's just _so_ much you can do with that archetype.
 Aside from Gwen's "Exotic Dancer Barbie" sequence, but it's treated as disturbing rather than sexy, esp the last panel.
And Catwoman and Talia Al Ghul...I don't see how boobies hanging out would help them any, other than slow them down and be insanely uncomfortable.
Comic girls don't need to lose their cloths to be sexy
And don't be surprise if a female doesn't agree with dressing like a sket skeaze bitch for cosplay : P
Or with long skirts like Sailor moon or Ruby Tojo?
Over the knee or literal centimeters above the knee skirts I think are okay, because I don't like men being able to see what needs to be hidden more often.
I am tired of over sexualization with both genders overall.
And I don't get why people are trying to change the way slut is used.
Stop being sexually disgusting and learn to keep your legs closed!
and that goes for prostitute OCs as well.
it's not fun to be around and should be stopped or changed.
Both men and a good percentage of women don't enjoy the idea.
I think it may be just pop culture in America :/ -headesk-
The string supported outfits which are meant to be "distracting from (name here's) male or female oppnonents" are what is now in and acceptable because of the insane, hormonal feminists who are creating a "War on Women" and pushing for a new acceptance of vulgar and tiny cloth supported clothes and they don't want to hear what they need to be hearing:
SKET (Carribean for whore, I believe so...)
They do that by changing the meaning of the word 'slut', 'whore', 'bitch', brainwashing other feminists into turning that overused and mostly accurate into a socital attribute, when, if people would just
Overall, I agree with what you just pointed out. It's sad how America is turning into becoming with shorter dresses, skirts, and skimpier and shorter and shorter shorts.
I don't know if you're female or not, doesn't matter, anyway, they aren't even selling shorts that at least cover our butt cheeks!!!!
-drinks water, rubs forehead-
It is sad...especially when a girl like myself is shopping and looking for actual comfortable clothes. It gets harder and harder to find clothes that cover what needs to be covered. And I know it's a little ridiculous, but part of me expects comic book artists to be a little more original than that-think functionality instead of eye teasers. I know that they follow what the populace wants to see, but still...*pinches bridge of nose* yeeeesh.
Catwoman #1 can go right to hell.
I will not lie, as a man..or rather as myself I am a fan of the female figure not just from the obvious 'likable' parts but also because of a sort of balance. I mean hell, we all probably fell in love with Harley not just because of her figure but of her strangely likeable personality, sure she had her...unusual moments but she was just charming, but the new harley in Arkham..I mean...my god there's 'good' edginess and horribly done edginess.. My god.. I wonder, I just...pray that eventually SOMEONE will finally say "Hmmm this Harley and/or other female characters lack depth and likability and that's been replaced with boobs and or sex appeal, for some reason this don't seem right."
I knew I recognized your art. I loved witch blade one of my favs, that and wet works.
as far as the DC 52 thing, I always feel in the gaps of logic myself. They don't were armor because...they're braver than batman,ect,etc.
If you want obscene logic look up " Kill La Kill" That's what they wear, 52 could be worse or Awsome.
Keep up the good work and maybe, one day at a time well change this crazy 52 world.
huh never heard the term jailbait used that way, unless she's younger than I thought...
but hey it could be worse, I'm surprised they haven't taken advantage of the potential bondage capabilities of spiderman: hands and feet that can stick to anything, combined with the ability to create intricate restricting webbing.
While I agree many comic book artists (Here's lookin' at you, Jim Lee) tend to middle-finger-bang rape the laws of physics and basic anatomy...to some degree...they're just adhering to the comic/cartoon rules of exaggeration. Like Canary for example: her I give a pass because it's just a cool outfit. Would I be amenable to a redress of her aesthetic for a more realistic comic? Yeah. Frankly there are female heroines in desperate need of utility belts. Catwoman, yes. Canary, yes. Wonder woman? Pfft. She doesn't need gadgets any more than Supes or Power girl. Same with Zatana.
I hate the jail bait look in Arkham Asylum: it's just so...trashy. It looks like what Rob Zombie fondles off to. Where's the clown theme, commenting on the innately brutal burlesque of life? Where's the manic pugnacious playfulness of the character? What's the difference between the Arkham look and a goth stripper? It's just such a slapped-on look. It feels like lazy cosplay.
See it all the time, there's a difference between making a character sexy and going all
"Hurr-Durr I like em tig ol bitties!".
Fore example, when Dragon's Crown was announced with art and all, I almost pissed myself laughing.
Conan runs bare chested into battle: the Spartans have even less on than him in the '300' comic. Those barbarian-y characters're supposed to be pulpy and kitschy like that; it's just for fun. It's like any frazetta illustration. Everyone's in on the discrepancy; everyone's in on the joke.
How much are you taking into account the countless numbers of suped up females in comics? Super girl can wear a skirt because she's dipped ass to eyeballs in mithril essentially. Same with Ms. Marvel: she's invincible so she can look as sexy as she pleases. Same with She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk. Kitty Pryde can phase through anything. Rogue can take anyone's abilities and she's already suped up as is. Scarlet Witch can tinker with reality itself.
Went it comes to T and A, as an aspiring designer I've always tried to either A)make a super powered character that doesn't NEED extraneous gadgets or body armor; B)just ignore the clothing issue like 'Tank Girl'; or c) just make their wear sexy and accenting through line manipulation, patterning the components of a suit to flatter the character.
And that HArley is amazeballs. Get it gurrl.
All Tamaraneans, from male to female, are scantily clad. They have ALWAYS been scantily clad. In fact, one of the most covered up Tamaraneans was Komand'r, Koriand'r's older sister.
Proof: [link] [link]
Koriand'r is not shy about her body. She never has been, it's her character. She doesn't have a reason to be. She's always been in small 'armor' and has never minded being very lightly clothed or even naked even when other characters were startled by it.
She's an alien. She's an alien from a warrior planet. Suffice to say, she does not need much armor when she has starbursts and the capability of flight. It's not a stretch at all to assume Tamaranean skin is much tougher than human skin, making the need for bulky armor excessive.
Like Powergirl, people would have a fit if Koriand'r was suddenly covered up. She is perfectly comfortable with showing her skin in the same way Powergirl is comfortable with her breasts being displayed.
Don't talk about things you don't understand.
The PROBLEM is that someone decided to write a character (and characters) like that in the first place, just as an excuse to have one more scantily-clad lady in the DC universe. Hell, supposedly the instructions for her design were actually "Red Sonja in Space" which should tell you everything you need to know about what the end goal was for her appeal.
Whatever her biography says for her powers, history, race's culture, or personality doesn't change that, because much of it was written merely as a justification for her to be eye candy, instead of giving a space character something sensible, like a sweet battlesuit. Basically, they just made up reasons in her origin that would give her permission to be half naked.
While she may be a cool and somewhat popular character, especially in the wake of the Teen Titans cartoon, her design already being the way it was since 1980 does no favors for the respectability of the comics medium. Her New 52 version, which could've been an opportunity to fix something, is ESPECIALLY not helping the issue, which is bad for comics today when the problem is worse than ever, even for pop culture in general.