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so i tried reading some new comics.... by nebezial so i tried reading some new comics.... by nebezial
i tried reading some of the new dc comics, , cause of the whole reboot, i though, hey, i'll jump in on some of that. i do love the characters in the cartoons...

and..just... damn...

see its a personal nuisance for me. i worked for years on witchblade, working hard to get the whole tna reputation out of the way. ron and i did relatively well with that

we were constantly taking shit from the people who read superhero comics, and got a crapload of condescension


and now... well.. seems like the shoe is on the other foot

because... just ... wow. there are many many amazingly well done comics, just brilliant in both artwork and writing.. but some are just... uncomfortable

i am a great believer that sexuality in comics serves a purpose, and works best when earned through character development.

it is supposed to be subservient to the story, it needs to be given a better purpose than just... hey, look sex!

so far the female characters in dc have been a bit... um...lets just say mishandled.

this is merely one man's opinion. no better nor more important than anyone else's. if you disagree that is your right.

and i hate the damn harley, arkhampromiscuousoversexualizedjailbait design

always have always will. it lacks the tongue in cheek humor, it lacks the likeability, but it replaces it with a lollipop sucking jailbait look....sorry...just..no


and for anyone who thinks themselves clever to go and point out that i'm drawing and writing sunstone, and yet i have a problem with this, i will save you the embarrassment.

sunstone is a comic ABOUT sexuality.
therefore there is sex in it

these are comics about superhero's that are saving the world on a daily basis... that is their premise...see what i'm getting at here?

oh and to explain my problem with catwoman XD

in the comics tshe often fights the same supercriminals as batman...

buut, batman is walking aroung in a boryarmor nowadays... selina... in a latex catsuit

what is the armor rating on your average catsuit?

we will ask killer croc XD




aaand fixed XD, "s"word removed thank you for turning the discussion of poor handling of female characters in comics to a discussion of semantics.. it was... pretty entertaining and in some points enlightening :)

so here is where all the confusion came from

my name is stjepan sejic and i am a croat!

hi stjepan

so , in croatia we have taken cursing and derogatory terms to a level that many would think unimaginable

it is often so crazy that some of the offensive words never quite... graduate

slutty for instance , in my country never really got to the rank where it would be used to define a woman's sexual behavior in a derogatory way.

we have about 60 far worse words for that

here word pretty much is used for a dressing style, that is ..oh lets say less than practical.

,now that you know this, i think the original intention of my message becomes clearer ...tho many never had any problems of guessing it

message was that female characters deserve more dignity in their treatment in comics...to be more than a eyecandy afterthought existing for nothing else than to hump random people without any insight to why.

i'm just saying if we have to know why a guy has a different colored suit, it would be useful to know why a female character is about to have sex with a random guy.

ultimately i found the right words i wanted to use to explain this situation

it is political correctness.

you presumed that every country has it as highly developed as the top few.

unfortunately we do not, that train is coming to my country too, but its slow moving and we put obstructions on the tracks

till then , there will probably be some confusions, so try to realize that maybe the person talking to you is not being judgmental, they just express differently because such is the norm of their country :)
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BWByars Jun 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
Very. well. said.
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Fwo0sh May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Point well said and I couldn't agree more!
See it all the time, there's a difference between making a character sexy and going all
"Hurr-Durr I like em tig ol bitties!".
Fore example, when Dragon's Crown was announced with art and all, I almost pissed myself laughing.
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maxromaine May 22, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I couldn't agree with you more, sir. I'm an artist who grew up loving super hero comics and eventually came to dislike them partly because of things like this. My favorite example is Red Sonja, the sword-wielding warrior who runs into combat in a chain mail bikini. It may sound silly, but I could never take the story seriously because of that. Anyone who wears a chain mail bikini into combat is a lunatic, same for the latex cat suit, but hot chicks sell comics, so they're every and as scantily clad and open-minded as possible whether it makes sense or not. It would be nice to see some female characters whose outfits weren't specifically designed to show off their T&A. Anyway, love the drawing. :) The expression on Harley's face is priceless!
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codyrush Jul 24, 2013  Student Filmographer

Conan runs bare chested into battle: the Spartans have even less on than him in the '300' comic. Those barbarian-y characters're supposed to be pulpy and kitschy like that; it's just for fun. It's like any frazetta illustration. Everyone's in on the discrepancy; everyone's in on the joke.

 

 How much are you taking into account the countless numbers of suped up females in comics? Super girl can wear a skirt because she's dipped ass to eyeballs in mithril essentially. Same with Ms. Marvel: she's invincible so she can look as sexy as she pleases. Same with She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk. Kitty Pryde can phase through anything. Rogue can take anyone's abilities and she's already suped up as is. Scarlet Witch can tinker with reality itself.

 Went it comes to T and A, as an aspiring designer I've always tried to either A)make a super powered character that doesn't NEED extraneous gadgets or body armor; B)just ignore the clothing issue like 'Tank Girl'; or c) just make their wear sexy and accenting through line manipulation, patterning the components of a suit to flatter the character.

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:iconmacgregor:
RESPECT. Nice to hear from someone who has done what you have.
And that HArley is amazeballs. Get it gurrl.
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Flawed-Perception May 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Red Hood and the Outlaws. Starfire. Enough said.
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:iconthefoxinwhite:
Do you know anything about Starfire? Or Tamaraneans? I'm guessing that you don't or you wouldn't be making such an asinine comment.

All Tamaraneans, from male to female, are scantily clad. They have ALWAYS been scantily clad. In fact, one of the most covered up Tamaraneans was Komand'r, Koriand'r's older sister.

Proof: [link] [link]

Koriand'r is not shy about her body. She never has been, it's her character. She doesn't have a reason to be. She's always been in small 'armor' and has never minded being very lightly clothed or even naked even when other characters were startled by it.

She's an alien. She's an alien from a warrior planet. Suffice to say, she does not need much armor when she has starbursts and the capability of flight. It's not a stretch at all to assume Tamaranean skin is much tougher than human skin, making the need for bulky armor excessive.

Like Powergirl, people would have a fit if Koriand'r was suddenly covered up. She is perfectly comfortable with showing her skin in the same way Powergirl is comfortable with her breasts being displayed.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.
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:iconraunchyponchy06:
Ignoring your overly defensive tone, the problem isn't that Starfire's character is being misunderstood.

The PROBLEM is that someone decided to write a character (and characters) like that in the first place, just as an excuse to have one more scantily-clad lady in the DC universe. Hell, supposedly the instructions for her design were actually "Red Sonja in Space" which should tell you everything you need to know about what the end goal was for her appeal.

Whatever her biography says for her powers, history, race's culture, or personality doesn't change that, because much of it was written merely as a justification for her to be eye candy, instead of giving a space character something sensible, like a sweet battlesuit. Basically, they just made up reasons in her origin that would give her permission to be half naked.

While she may be a cool and somewhat popular character, especially in the wake of the Teen Titans cartoon, her design already being the way it was since 1980 does no favors for the respectability of the comics medium. Her New 52 version, which could've been an opportunity to fix something, is ESPECIALLY not helping the issue, which is bad for comics today when the problem is worse than ever, even for pop culture in general.
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Also, I'm pretty sure that someone who actually works in the industry understands just fine what they're talking about.
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Ignore that last, separate comment - stupid Deviantart won't let me delete anything
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