just opinions, there is no more validity to them than to anyone elses
so, let's start with frozen....
i made a huge mistake before frozen...huuugeeee mistake.
i listened to that let it go song....
now, what follows is an example how one small thing can snowball into a huge friggin thing... see what i did there ? snowball?
so i listened to that song.. and ..um.. it sounded glorious... but it also sounded like an anthem to coming out of the closet.... i mean, i deal with subtext a lot. and even i have seen people see more in my own writing than i intended. rarely but it happened. so subtext is hardly a new thing ...
we are talking about a song that says
don't let them know don't let them see , be the good girl you always have to be
conceal don't feel don't let them know... well now they know...
and this is just some of it... there is this vibe of a sexual liberation in the song if looked at it from a certain angle yknow.
and yes, i know, i am probably just seeing something that isn't really there...
i thought the same...
then i saw the movie.
again as i said.. spoilers and opinions here
i cant help feeling that this was what happened AND YES I AM PROBABLY COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG!
writers came in with an idea , let's make a first gay princess.... disney execs froze.. did it again...
and went.. no,. make them sisters and just go wild on the subtext..
i think they were initially written in as friends or something....
because once you get that viewpoint in your head.. holy crap do you start seeing it XD
anna's song about finding the one has her enacting paintings that show her what she should be doing to the point that she mimicks them .. this is the normal relationship you should be looking for.
anna and elsas coronation conversation has all the tension of a couple that broke up and realizes it was a mistake.
anna's rushed marriage idea comes after being once again hurt by elsa, so in a way she works to make her jealous... mission accomplished.
elsa running away sings the let it go song .. which is just.. oh my... google it if you are curious XD
kristoff is the most tacked on male protagonist i have ever seen. you could cut him out of the friggin movie and not even notice it.. hell, snowman is more crucial to the plot XD. he just feels like a cop out. since we cant have the girls together, make the most tacked on male love interest XD
elsa hitting ana in the heart, lashing out and hurting her, constantly running away from her own feelings...
and the ending.... oh the ending... where the act of true love is between elsa and anna...
AGAIN, CALM DOWN! XD if you didn't see it like this, it doesn't make me in any way right.
personally i blame that damn gorgeous song.... it put a friggin seed of stupidity in my head and i watched the movie with this weird what if thought... and when you look for things .. you will probably find them. just ask any conspiracy theorist XD
but , i absolutely loved the movie, well except for kristoff, nice character but felt tacked on even if i wasn't seeing things in a slightly skewed way XD
i was asked do i think it a good movie or a bad movie? my answer is, it is a great movie that felt it was short so it ate a bad movie... so it certainly got longer... so there is that.
i liked the first hour of the movie aaalot. tho as i will repeat over and over again... i had issues with the padding when it cost us some genuinely fun and clever stuff like conversation with beorn.
but i guess that would leave less time for legolas....okaay so i may be a tad bit ticked off by all the legolas
anyhoo, movie was good. but then it took a legolas in the knee...
coincidentally , my wife and i were rolling in laughter when kili took an arrow in the knee... we were nerding out like crazy XD
honestly my biggest gripe with legolas was not him putting dante from devil may cry to shame as he took on a squad of orcs and came out unscratched the first time.
IT WAS THE GODDAMN LEGOLAS TAKING UP HALF OF THE DAMN MOVIE'S CLIMAX!!!
now, dont get me wrong.. i was nerdgasming about smaug... who was a wyvern not a dragon in this one...
loved everything about him, his conversation with bilbo was a thing of glory...
but then the climax happened...
and we were jumping from dwarvers and smaug reenacting their favorite scooby doo episodes ( thanks to my wife to giving this vague annoyance a definition) and legolas flat out cleaning the city of orcs...
and it felt dragged out, and it felt beyond unnecessarily padded.
again, let me reiterate. it was a good movie.. it failed to be a great one in my opinion.
keep in mind i am in no way a person in whose taste you should be trusting in any way. i am perfectly capable of turning off my brain and just enjoy silliness...
so if you disagree , i'm sure you have good reasons.
in a way, this being the internet and all we aint gonna be changing each others minds here
would i recommend these 2 movies. oh yes. liked them both a lot
i haven't seen the DoS yet, but I have seen the third movie and Frozen.
kristoff is the most tacked on male protagonist i have ever seen. you could cut him out of the friggin movie and not even notice it.. hell, snowman is more crucial to the plot XD. he just feels like a cop out. since we cant have the girls together, make the most tacked on male love interest XD-
I pretty much agree with all of your points. Especially the Scooby Doo analogy, very good. I do wish Bejorns conversation wasn't so rooted in filler material too.
I'm actually pretty concerned with the next movie. The way Jackson's padded it, I think he may have too many resolutions happening next movie and I'm afraid it's going to turn out very rushed.
In the next movie we need to address:
-Bard vs Smaug
-Galadriel razing Dol Guldur
-the entire Battle of The Five Armies set up and resolution
-the resolution with the Arkenstone
I fear all of this is going to be cut too short in order to fit a ~3hr run time.
I think you could illustrate that other Frozen quite beautifully
I feel the need to complain though because I was SO butthurt about the prince. Can't they just ever have a simple, straightforward nice guy? Not this "LOL let's add some half-assed evil bullshit in cause we don't have a real villain?" The switch was so painfully forced too I just. No. *sighs*
Also the trolls were too damn much. Without those flaws, it could have held up to Tangled.
I thought Disney was going in a totally new direction with this movie (true love thing, no prince-y saving the day stuff, and the whole subtext ) I'm just glad they scrapped the initial idea with the prophecy and antagonist Elsa.
I had absolutely NO intention of seeing either of these films--not a Tolkien LOTR-Hobbit fan and despite Sherlock AND Watson playing principle characters in this movie, (yes I know, Freeman and Cumberbatch, but in real life/my version of reality, they're Sherls and Doc Wat') I was like, I'm waiting for "The Wolf of Wall Street".
Then I read this and am now am convinced to see them both because
A) in heterosex-guy/bro-love with you
2) Legolas. Aka the ONLY reason I watched the LOTR trilogy("Even the TREES walked in that movie"-Randall/asshole Jesus--"...and then Frodo straight bricks in Sam's mouth" omfgwtfHAHAHAHA. Ha)
This was the shit and has made my early morning day.
Thank you sir. You are a scholar, a gentleman, an excellent artist and most likely not Jack the Ripper. I am therefore forced to bid you adieu...n stuff
OMG Frozen was amazing. ^^
Okay, now that thats out of the way.
Take a look at the songs on the Sound Track. They actually had quite a bit of info about the movie that didn't make the cut or got scrapped before the movie started production. But I can TOTALLY see it from that perspective.
Can't wait till the DVD comes out with the extras. I really am curious to see the deleted scenes and scrapped ideas they usually have on the new Disney movies.
and i give you: " it's funny how some distance makes everything seem small" take a second to process that
(only read the Frozen part of this Journal, as I've only just seen an advance-screening of the film, which is out next week)
During the movie, I started to have the same feeling, with what you said. And yet I hadn't listened to the song before hand. It really does look like the writers was going somewhere with it, but perhaps though the messages in it would be frowned by the parents (as children wouldn't really notice what's going on)
Guess we'll just have to wait for the Blu-Ray/DVD release, for any Behind the scenes to prove the points you've made xp
I just thought he was super adorable.
Also, Olaf came as a surprise to me. I was among the masses who HATED the initial trailer we got, because it was all about the reindeer and snowman. Good news, that trailer scene isn't even in the movie. And I cannot hate Olaf no matter how hard I try. XD
Loved Frozen and I think your take is as valid an interpreation as any out there. However, there has been a trend in the major animated releases the past few years where the key relationships within the movie has been familiar based.
In particular I'm thinking of 'How to Train Your Dragon' (Father and Son), 'Brave' (mother and daughter), and now 'Frozen' (sisters). So in that context Frozen can be viewed farily easily on that level without subtext. But yeah 'Let It Go' could easily an anthumn for any sort of sexual/indenity liberation.
Any chance we could see Ally lipsyncing to it?
Though yeah both male leads are big red herings IMHO. XD
As for the Hobbit, my most negative reaction was all your fault.
When that bloody dwarf crossbow that I thought you were joking about appeared (actually it was when I saw 'The Black Arrow' but you get the idea) I have practiced archery and been inspired archers for 40 years. I was really looking forward to see Bard the Bowman (who for me is next to Robin Hood when it comes to Long Bowman) stand up with a 200ild pull english longbow amid flames and ash and lauch a long charished Numenor Black Arrow into Smuag's. Instead were going to get a Dragon being takendown by a Dwarf AA gun that literally could be fired by anyone.
I swear if your picture is right and they have Legolas deflect Black Arrow into Smaug I am walking out of the film right then Batlle of the FIve Armies be damned.
Have yet to see Hobbit yet but I'm having a few more nerd moments (some good, some confusing) about it now after reading your take on it. Will be interested to see how they wrap up the final chunk of the "book".
Of course the thing is these days you can't make a story that has someone admitting to their horrible secret like this without someone coming along thinking it's a homosexual allegory, even if that wasn't the intention and never occurred to the writers at all. Maybe it says something about the homosexual community that some of them think they own the monopoly on hiding a secret from their loved ones, I don't know.
Frozen was based on The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen. It was in development hell for years because they couldn't figure out how to get modern audiences to relate to the characters (I think modern audiences are underestimated by entertainment executives, but whatever) until they struck on the idea to have them be sisters.
If homosexual people embrace "Let it go" then that's cool. As long as none of them start telling heterosexual people not to enjoy the song as a GENERIC 'freed of my former secrets/burdens' song. It's still a really great song taken at face value in context of the plot, without any assumed subtext.
When I saw the movie and heard that song for the first time, it struck my heart because of hidden context I was reading inside it. But in a very _very_ diffrent way:
Since childhood I realised something is wrong with me. I had to hide my feelings and what I was thinking because I failed in almost every aspect of sozial interaction. It almost broke me so hard to be "weird" and "diffrent" all my live. I met the end of the like a few years ago. Turned out I have the Asperger disorder. Finally knowing what is "wrong" with me, I was able to accept myself and what I am. I "let it go". I stopped hiding who I really am. Just like the song says: "It's funny how some distance makes everything seem small".
Whenever I start feeling down, I listen to this song and it brings me right up again.
As for your Legolas opinion:
I love him... haha.. so I can't really complain about him beeing OP and stuff.. But I can see your point. It felt like a _lot_ of fanservice.
Loved the movie though. Slower phasing. Oh.. and Smaug <3. Loved his design.
Sorry for my English. It's not my native tongue...
Also: I agree, man. So much fanservice.
I friggin loved Smaug! I haven't read any of the books, but what I can say is - what a beautiful movie!