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okay so here is a tip

i have seen  in my life many artists who proclaimed they want to develop their skills, and kept bashing on everyone and everything on the way....and for some reason those guys never got anywhere...

here is why..

there is a value to different approaches, different styles. realism, manga , cartooney disney, my little pony, furries....don't waste your time tryint to bash any of the stuff you don't personally like

you are missing out, bigtime!

see there is a reason why that stuff is popular. and by that i mean on the visual side. so instead of flaming , trolling and bashing, try understanding the inner workings of it.

here are some specific examples

realism- it is a wonderfully complex base , reflects one's skill  in capturing reality, but in it there are differences between photo referenced, real life work and no reference. ALL HAVE THEIR VALUE AND IMPORTANCE! from photos you can learn alot,  gain analytic skills, develop an attention to details, so dont bash those who work from photos, ask yourself can you do it as good!

from real life you include the speed aspect to it. nature is fleeting, changing, and you are trying to capture the moment, so when  looking at a piocture you know was drawn from real life,  look at it as such, understand it's challenges

from mind-no reference. learn to recognize the skills behind this approack and be aware the people who are capable of this are actually well versed in both from photo and from real life artwork



manga- a very popular style that is unfairly summarized. there are different approaches. to some manga summarizes gestures and expressions to  facial emoticons but let's take a very popular naruto as an example. artist of it is a master of facial expressions and gesture. same can be said for genshiken. on a different side there are people like ken akamatsu who use a more polished stylized approach and uses facial emoticons to a greater extent.   you can learn from all of these approaches
look for what is useful, not for what you can hate

disney influenced general style is perhaps the best aid to learning gesticulation and facial expressions, as it generally translates well into drawing and makes expressiveness pop by making every motion just a little bit overly done

my little pony... oh yea im goiing there! never saw the series, but i appreciate the expressive nature or what i like to call gesture mapping. it presents creativity on a different level where you are taking and partially anthropomorphizing  horses in this case. the masterfullness there is the disneylike approach to  selling the character's quality through emotiveness  in animation

furries in any shape or form  they also are a creative approach. you will see people mixing different styles and influences , from disney to manga to cinematic to realism. you may dislike the fetishization of the genre. but have no  illusions they are the basis of many of the movie and videogame and comic monsters.


my point here is a simple one. LOOK FOR WHAT IS GOOD, SEARCH FOR USEFUL, DONT WASTE YOUR DAMN TIME ON FLAMING AND HATING IF YOU TAKE YOUR PROGRESS IN ANY WAY SERIOUSLY!
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CrypticMachine Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah I agree I don't think people can really learn anything if they hate on a style they just don't personally like I think it's good to try out different styles and see what works. :)
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DNFTT2014 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Agree,if these useless critic ever stop typing hate & leveling up their talent they would surpass the classic,artistic masters.
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Nomnivore8 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is a difference between criticizing a drawing or art style that you don't like, and criticizing someones work in the genre. Both should be done considerately and open-mindedly. I don't like it when people don't try to see the light of a persons work or praise the effort they put into it. If you don't tell them what is good and needs to stay in their art, they will probably feel discouraged. How would that help them? :C
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Passin Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Agreed
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Knight3000 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good advice.
But with my pieces they hardly get looked at and no one really tells me if its good,it sucks or isterrible. All I get are what i do wrong when I wirte a story with it. "Your spacings bad you have typos it seems rushed".
I try to fix them constantly and not once do I get someone telling me its good and they enjoy it. I always praise everyone elses pieces and writings because they are 100 times better than mine especially if its 3D
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Pscientifik Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
fave'n this!
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Bracey100 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well said.
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DarthAislin Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Thank you so much for this. I believe if more artists could see the great mentors, muses, and other artists they look up to giving this kind of real life advice, they'd follow it. By posting a journal like this, someone like yourself may have contributed thousands of times more than with just a tutorial on painting in photoshop to helping newer artists grow and learn. :heart:
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EsBest Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012  Professional General Artist
I agree as well. As far as "hater being hater being some form of freedom of speech" as one did say amongst the many comments...I believe there is a distinct difference between just hating and constructive cristism. The later is meant with good intention to help another in a bias way; a way to build and grow in their skill set. When someone just hates, troll and bash, that is NOT one exercising freedom of speech just a freedom to be loud and crude with not real justification and/or benefit to them or the person they are trolling/hating on. It pretty much the same a bully only with the invading a person's actual, live, in-your-face space. I think was nebezial was implying in his message and why his wife thought it was well said. I too think it is well said and should not be mistaken or taken out of content to convey anything outside the point of it not being benefitical to someone who claims they want to get better but will not but looking for bad in other art rather than the good and building from there. I personally applaud him for saying so. It is probably long over due for all the hating (and stealing of his artwork) that he has endure but still willing to share his work and not left Deviant like other artist have and continue to do so as a result of theives, trolls and haters.

Thank you for still sharing, inspiring and your journal entries to both you and your wife, *nebezial. :love: people your yourselves.
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TheBlackMoon77 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
agreed 100%
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